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yolkipalki's avatar

Been to Russia many times and several times met people who espoused the most crazy racial theories. Once when attending some techno concert in Western Siberia it was explained to me that techno was "Aryan" music and no wonder it started in Berlin. Another time I met a young man at a hippie colony on the black sea who venerated a Swastika and had build a shrine to it. Russia is multinational and many - especially young men - feel under threat from the minorities and from immigrants. Part of Navalny 's appeal was his Russian nationalism. Putin is not a Russian nationalist but a preserver of empire. Look at how he coddles Kadyrov. Which pisses of the majority of Russians.

I sincerely believe that the greatest threat for his regime is from dissatisfied Russian nationalists. He is nilly willy stoking Russian nationalism by fighting Ukraine. Budanov is unfortunately not a fool.

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Events in Ukraine's avatar

Thank you for the comment. This is exactly why I think it's important to analyze these groups. A future article will also look at the RDK's links with Wagner fighters - obviously the great hope of the Urkainian government is that a nationalist uprising in the Russian army will result in regime change and frontline collapse

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Chris's avatar

I do agree, though, that Russian ethnonationalism is the greatest internal potential threat to the country. A very small threat at present. In the 1990s, a lot more so.

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I have lived in Russia for 25 years and have never met anybody with such beliefs. But, I don't go to techno concerts and hippie colonies.

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James Bernard Shepard's avatar

Thank you once again for this fascinating and illuminating information.

Immediately when you mentioned the connection between CIA and these Neo-Nazis and school shootings in Russia my mind leaped to the school shootings in the USA. These instances have been increasing in number ever since 9/11. I also associate this activity with the Antifa and BLM riots of 2020. And the Hong Kong troubles before then which were the product of NED which is a CIA front and its subsidiary Oslo Freedom Forum. I saved a photo of Josh Wong posing at an OFF event along with the Chairman of the White Helmets and Klitchko, Mayor of Kiev.

In short I wondered if NED/OFF are funding and training, and with “trauma based identity destruction and mind control”, controlling and dispatching various types of "activists” and “sleepers” and school shooters inside the USA as well as abroad.

I remember reading an account of the travels of this man Brenton Tarrant. I think it was from our “Amazing Polly”, Polly St George. She copied some of Tarrant’s “accelerationist” manifesto. It sounded like pure CIA to me. He was said to have travelled widely without any visible means of economic support, and to have been in Turkey prior to a terrorist bombing and then to have spent time in Israel before later doing his worst in New Zealand. This is all from memory.

My intuitions in this dark speculation were sharpened by Dave McGowan’s terrifying book “Programmed to Kill”. Following the end of the Vietnam War and the CIA’s "Operation Phoenix” the “serial killer’ phenomenon became an increasing problem in the USA. CIA torture methods and LSD experiments producing “serial Killers” seemed to be coming home to roost.

Dave McGowan’s book “Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops and the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream” is a good source as well. As is Tom O’Neill’s “Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties” (notably Chapter 11 “Mind Control”)

I am pleased to have had copy of Daniel Ganser’s book for many years. Your paragraph here was interesting:

"This is the key ideology of the Order of the Nine Angles, for instance. They believe that by committing acts such as human sacrifice, child sexual abuse, serial killing and mass murder, the Judeo-Christian ‘aeon’ of human history will collapse, making way for a new, ultra-militaristic social order, the ‘Imperium’. In this glorious future, “Aryan” society will colonize the Milky way and establish a galactic society. Someone has been reading too much warhammer, as you can see.”

This reminds me of the wonderful final scene of the 1951 movie, “The Day the Earth Stood Still”. This was Micheal Renee as the extraterrestrial visitor warning earth:

“I have come to give you these facts. We are not concerned with how you run your planet. But if you threaten to extend your violence this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned out cinder. The choice is up to you."

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Events in Ukraine's avatar

Thank you for this comment, yes I believe this topic is quite relevant for people around the world, not just in Ukraine. I found McGowan's Programmed To Kill very useful when I read it a few years ago. I also really enjoyed Wendy Painting's book "The Secret Lives of Timothy McVeigh", which is on a similar topic. McVeigh is another hero of the RDK and associated groups.

Tomorrow's post will also go into the 764 and MKU groups/networks, a global and Ukrainian group that try to convince unstable teens to commit murders and school shootings in the US and Russia

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Much thanks for suggesting Wendy Painting's book. I had never heard of it before. "Aberration in the Heartland of the Real: The Secret Lives of Tim McVeigh".

My eyes are on the first page of the introduction. I don't know how much will be available on this website but never mind, I will get a hard copy.

The somewhat florid writing of this intro poses an either-or question, a thesis-antithesis: either the bombing was "the savage act of an unhinged honky" or "some underhanded government contrivance". The title seems to put a subtle weight on the former side with the use of the word "heartland" to describe Oklahoma.

And yet the dialectic, as such structures always do, already implies the synthesis. Both scenarios paint a picture of Americans. Ruling class or ruled, Americans are not the solidly moral and pure at heart "real" people that "heartland" Oklahoma styles itself to be. The ruling class contrives underhandedly while the lowly working class are unhinged, racist fools as ignorant as dirt.

Above both of them there looms a darker shadow, master of the synthesis. The synthesis is violent revolution destroying both the proud and the humble. The "American Dream" has a spiritual core. It is that America is the common man and he is good and wise.

Oklahoma is not a fatherland or even a motherland, it's a Heartland. The dream of America, the aspiration which is expressed in the Bill of Rights, the bones and flesh of America, is that the common man is "the salt of the earth" which if it "loses its savour" will be, as justice demands, "trampled underfoot". Yes, Jesus is the heart of America. Americans do unto others as they would wish others would do and they honour and cherish little children above every treasure for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.

But if Americans, proud or humble, discard and defy and defile this moral code they will be trampled underfoot.

God implies Satan. Satan is the tool of God's righteous wrath. That's my feeling. It's not what Satanists feel about themselves. Devotion to negativity itself eats itself. If you believe in the Father of Lies you must disbelieve in your very soul.

We have arrived at the mind control torture chamber of the CIA/MI6/Mossad. They are dedicated to mind control and identity destruction. The "real" is their prey.

My personal ethic and mythos is non-denominational Christianity. The image is the fresh-air baptism of Jesus, Son of Man. I stand with the common man.

The "shadowy government" [Senator Daniel Inouye's description], they are non-denominational Satanists. Nihilists always are. They laugh at the Christian mythic terms and yet that makes them mere elements in the myth. They are placing themselves above both thesis and antithesis, both the 'elite' Americans and the 'working' Americans. They fancy themselves superior to humanity. They are attempting to storm the halls of God which they believe to be empty and defenceless. They are aspiring to be the God they disbelieve in.

Ms Painting is a PhD. Academics are religiously non-religious. But we all have our primary loyalties to our own reality, atheists above all. Materialists above all are believers in their own material reality. This is secularism. The religion of Non-Religion. Belief is in The Science. But that's still belief. But it's belief in not believing.

I have held my baby in my arms and pledged my heart. The killers of babies? They, not we, will be trampled by God's wrath. I am nearly 78. I never thought I would ever leave the mythos of atheism in my mind. I was wrong.

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Chris's avatar

If these guys think that the RDK guys have actually ruptured Russia's sense of security (which is what supposedly support for Putin is based on, and not, for instance, that life expectancy increased by a decade under Putin), they are greatly mistaken. I am in Russia and have never even heard of their supposedly Earth-shaking activities.

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Events in Ukraine's avatar

Yes, it is certainly quite stupid. I think the most 'generous' explanation of their usefulness is that they can be helpful when coordinating drone attacks in Russia - the drones are probably often set loose from within Russia through agents. And of course for other assassination operations, various 'diversionary activities'

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Chris's avatar

I wonder if this posturing is for internal propaganda purposes, or if they really believe it. It does remind me of American white nationalist radical beliefs that they can trigger a race war by performing some violent act.

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Similarly, American white nationalist radicals seem to believe that white Americans are "ruled by terror." It is a very weird worldview.

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Events in Ukraine's avatar

I think the obvious stupidity of their worldview, as well as the proven fact that many of these people are law enforcement agents, makes it clear that the personal convictions of these people isn't the main factor in why they continue to exist and commit violent acts.

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You know what? I was just reading your Trump Assassin II piece, as much as I can without subscribing (which I can't do, since I am in Russia and sanctions won't let me pay). You mentioned the rhetoric about Russians all being supposedly drunk homeless people who only saw their first house in Ukraine. This got me thinking about the "personal conviction issue" -- because nobody in Ukraine can actually believe this, since Russia has been a target of migrant workers from Ukraine for decades. There are 8 million Ukrainians in Russia. Living standards in Russia are much higher than in Ukraine, and they cannot possibly not know this. But, they used this rhetoric about how poorly Russians live anyway. It is the strangest thing that I have ever seen, and maybe it is further evidence that personal convictions are not playing a role here at all.

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Events in Ukraine's avatar

That's true, but generally they claim that this is because 'Russian soldiers come from impoverished Russian villages', ignoring the fact that Ukrainian villages are also very poor and unpleasant places to be. I haven't visited much of rural Russia so I can't speak to it

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Chris's avatar

I watched the police interrogation video of Dylan Roof, and he seemed to believe these things. But, he was a lone teenager.

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