Ukrainian nationalists on Trump

And Biden. The Sternenko/Azov split. Biden the soy cuckold. The split among Azovites on the question of ceasefire.

Another month, another Trump assassination attempt. I decided to take a look at how Ukrainian militarists were reacting to it, and to US politics in general.

To begin with, Serhii Sternenko (825k subscribers) and Igor Lachenkov (1.5 million subscribers), two highly mediatized ‘volunteers/activists’, who spend their time ‘gathering funds to help the army’ while not fighting (Sternenko claims to have eye problems). In other words, their income and fame depends directly on the intensity of frontline combat.

Sternenko in a Svastone label shirt (‘Perun company’). Need I say any more?

The neo-nazi Sternenko is also quite obviously being groomed for a more direct future political role and has powerful friends in western capitals, as I wrote here and here. Sternenko is aligned with Sorosite NGOs and similar characters, which, along with what is probably conflict over drug incomes, means he has long been in conflict with the more traditionally rightwing Azov movement.

Lachen, meanwhile, was no one before the war but is now a huge media star. Like Sternenko, he mainly posts death-porn of ‘destroyed Russian orcs’ and brags about new fundraising records. He and Sternenko often cooperate.

Anyway, both Sternenko and Lachen posted a laconic description of the assassination attempt on Trump, with most of the reactions laughing. Their obviously flippant reaction to the assassination attempt contrasts with the Azovites I’ll reproduce below. No wonder, given Sternenko/Lachen links with democrat party NGO networks:

Katarsis, an Azov/C14 aligned telegram, also had a good laugh about Zelensky’s claims to sympathize with Trump:

Tales of the IV Reich, a telegram managed by an Azov officer, had a more thought-out response to the assassination attempt. This post yet again illustrates Tales’ barely hidden desire to freeze the war now instead of Zelensky’s strategy for forever war at the altar of the 1991 borders. Not particularly popular among Ukrainian rightwingers, though it seems like a fairly rational nationalist move to me (not that Ukrainian rightwingers have ever been noted for their pragmatism or strategic outlook):

Both current U.S. presidential candidates neither want nor plan for Ukraine to win the war against Russia. It’s painful, and the injustice makes you want to destroy everything around you. However, we chose such allies ourselves over the years of independence. The only difference between Biden, who acts like a colored version of a woman in a skirt, and Trump is whether to end the war now, at the actual borders of the combat zone by the end of 2024, or not end it, allowing the Russians to advance even further.

The "Democrats" do not plan to increase arms supplies and have repeatedly hinted to the Ukrainian government that the 2025 U.S. budget will not be as generous to Ukraine as previous ones. Who is to blame in this situation? Who is the "pro-Ukrainian" and who is the "pro-Russian" candidate? Decide for yourselves. In my opinion, the pro-Russian candidate is the one who wants the Russians to seize even more Ukrainian territory.

I can predict that in 2025, amid political crises in Western democracies, we will not become stronger. But the destruction, occupied villages and cities, and the number of killed Ukrainian defenders will only increase.

Note that ‘Tales’ used to be more positive about Trump, for instance in a June 28 post calling him ‘our elephant’ (military/rightwing jargon for someone on our side):

Yesterday, during the debates, the fresh and energetic old man Trump politically knocked out the frail and tired, dementia-stricken old man Biden. Therefore, there is a chance for peace and an end to the war. The future of peace and war is being decided in the American elections, not in Ukraine, no matter what anyone says or how much dreamers want to dress the entire country in camouflage and send them to defend Vuhledar.

Let me remind you that throughout all the years of independence, under Republican Party presidents, Ukraine did not lose a single kilometer of territory. However, during the terms of Democratic Party presidents, Ukraine lost Crimea, almost the entire Donbas, no longer controls two-thirds of the Zaporizhzhia region, a large part of Kherson, and even a portion of Kharkiv.

God Bless America 🐘

‘Dead Russians’, a military channel with 107k followers on Biden, September 4. The ‘guarantees’ being referred to here is the Budapest memorandum, a favorite topic in Ukrainian discourse:

"I clearly conveyed to Zelensky what we support and what we do not support," Biden said about allowing Ukraine to strike deep into Russia with American ballistic missiles.

Well, fuck this old bastard. They took away our nuclear weapons in exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity, and that’s fine, but they can’t keep their promises. And as for striking at those fuckers—it's not allowed.

Let the political leadership remind them what we signed, and stop these humiliations in front of soy cuckolds.

Azov’s Major Maksym Zhorin, July 23

I'm somewhat concerned about this unhealthy interest in the U.S. elections, especially since part of society truly believes the war will quickly end if Trump is elected.

At the very beginning, we already made an important mistake that has led to today's issues with mobilization and the overall moral and psychological state of society: when people started believing that everything would end soon.

Instead, we should have immediately told the truth—that it will be hard, long, but the entire society needs to mobilize. Had we done that, we wouldn't be in the current situation where we have to search for people, detain them, and focus on punishments. We would have had a proper accounting of the male population and selected those needed in the military today—based on age, profession, experience, etc.

Under the circumstances Ukraine is in, the most appropriate approach for society is as follows: everyone should be prepared, but only those who are needed should fight. Regardless of who will be the U.S. president or whether we get enough F-16s, and so on.

My thoughts

The most interesting thing here is the split between the pure grifters like Sternenko and the actual fighters in Azov. Sternenko and the like are totally against any ceasefire whatsoever, war is a business for them, but not something they ever plan to die in. Tales of the IV Reich, along with being ideologically more committed to Trump’s message (plenty of posts on Tales, Katarsis and similar Azovite channels praising Trump’s anti-immigrant rhetoric), is also more concerned about long-term military strategy than Lachen/Sternenko.

On the other hand, Tales certainly isn’t a dominant voice among the Azovites. Zhorin is far more influential, with his standard anti-ceasefire rhetoric. Time will tell if that’s just a politically correct front for his real desire to see a ceasefire that would stave off a large-scale collapse of the army/massive territorial losses.